Laziness Does Not Exist with Dr. Devon Price | #88

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Social psychologist Dr. Devon Price joined me in this episode to talk about their new book, Laziness Does Not Exist. The book details a belief system called the Laziness Lie, which teaches us that hard work is morally superior to relaxation, and people who aren't productive have less innate value than productive people. This interview will help you break the belief that your work is your worth and give you strategies for fighting back against internalized capitalism.

We discussed:

  • What initially got Devon invested in the idea that laziness does not exist.
  • How pets can help us take the moral implications out of laziness.
  • The history of the Laziness Lie belief system that Devon's book is based around.
  • Methods that may help people with less career autonomy to obtain more work-life balance.
  • The ways we internalize the Laziness Lie and believe we need to be busy at all times.
  • How self-care has become something that's seen as feminized and frivolous.
  • Being okay with getting “sloppy” in some areas of your life.
  • The importance of recognizing the inherent worth of others and yourself.
  • Making an effort to zoom out and question our harsh reactions to other people's choices.
  • Why Devon thinks you should do things you're bad at.
  • The value in allowing yourself to be instead of always working on self-improvement.
  • How what we view as laziness in our bodies is actually the wisdom of our bodies.
  • Living according to your own values instead of the values of others.

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Dr. Devon Price (they/them) is a writer, social psychologist, alt-academic, and the author of the book, Laziness Does Not Exist. Their work has been featured in Slate, Shape Magazine, the Financial Times, Human Parts, HuffPost, and on NPR. They live in Chicago. You can keep up with Devon on MediumTwitter, and Instagram.

Did you benefit from this episode? You can show your appreciation by supporting Devon's work. Be sure to get their new book, Laziness Does Not Exist, available wherever you like to purchase books.

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